Talk:Dark World

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The Golden Land, now the Dark World, reflects a person's self right? Link turns into a rabbit (not sure why that is) and the Link in TP turns into a wolf. Is it possible that how Link and the Dark World in this game and Link and the Twilight Realm signifies the Twilight Realm and the Dark World are the same place? Perhps Ganondorf accompanied the Twili on their assault on the Golden Land in the first place that was mentioned in TP? ZeldaGirl96 14:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Well... it is stated in ALttP that Ganon created the Dark World as a twisted form of the Light World, located within the Sacred Realm (I don't have any exact quotes, but that's basically what was said). The Twilight Realm isn't in the Sacred Realm, nor (as far as we know) created by Ganon. It's an alternate dimension that all these Twili were banished to a while back. I could be wrong, but that's why I think it's not exactly possible. —Ando (talk) 14:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

In Oracle of Seasons, Onox mentions that he was summmoned from the Dark Realm. Just thought I should point this out.

--Felicia's Champion, 23:19, 14 July 2008 (EST)

Yeah, the Twilight Realm was a place the Twili were banished to, while the Dark World is a twisted Light World. Maybe the Twilight Realm was based of ideas from the Dark World? —Seablue 13:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dark World and Twilight Realm may be the same place.

The Dark World and the Twilight Realm might be the same place due to the fact that these are the only places where Link undergoes a change to an animal form. In "Link To The Past", Link is transformed into a rabbit in the Dark World. In "Twilight Princess" Link transforms into a Wolf in the presence of Twilight. The reason the transformations where different may be because of Links age. In a Link to the Past, Link was young (at least under 10) and in Twilight princess he was young adult (aground 17-20) Nasoka 20:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)NasokaKewe

Yes according to theorists and most people they are the same place, however it isn't 100% guaranteed. People's opinions vary, and as this is an encyclopedia, I think these pages should not be merged. - M E L C H I Z E D E K  (TALK) 03:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

The Twilight Realm is its own world, whereas from what I understand from the article, the Dark World is what became of the Sacred Realm when Ganon entered it. Besides, the Twilight Realm probably predates Ganon by hundreds of years.... Jimbo Jambo 06:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Evil Realm

Evil Realm redirects here, and the Sacred Realm article says that Ganon was sealed within the Sacred Realm (which itself is also this, the Dark World). However, at the end of OoT, I recall the sages using the term "Evil Realm" specifically, not Sacred Realm or Dark World, and referring to it as a "void," which describes neither. I think the Evil Realm is another place completely, and that it's essentially...nothing, a void. If that's so, then should it get its own article, separate from this and Sacred Realm? Jimbo Jambo 06:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Potentially, yes it should have its own article. However, I'm not sure what factual information (if any) could be written in such an article, other than the quote you mentioned. Also, while Evil Realm exists as a redirect, nothing actually links to it except for the link you just added above. So I'd say that essentially it may as well either be deleted entirely, or else get a brief mention in a "Trivia" section here. —Adam ^{[ talk ]} 18:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Not much can be said about a world with nothing in it, but my argument is that as it is its own world and has no more connection that we can see to the Dark World than any other world, a mention of it here isn't really appropriate. So I say either make a short article explaining that it's the void to which Ganondorf was banished and eventually escaped from, or just mention it on the Ganon article (actually, just checked and it says Sacred Realm there too, which should be fixed anyway) and like you said either delete the redirect or maybe even redirect it there. Jimbo Jambo 19:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, now I'm confused. A quick search shows two prominent mentions of the Evil Realm; reference 7 in the Rauru article links "Evil Realm" straight to Dark World, and at the end of this section of the OOT article is the sentence "...the evil realm that had once been the Sacred Realm before Ganondorf's taint". This needs to be cleared up and standardised, as there are other mentions of Evil Realm that don't link here. I have to say, I'm not fully convinced by your reasoning that the Evil Realm is some completely independent place, never mentioned before or again? It sounds a lot more like a synonym for the corrupted Sacred Realm to me...—Adam ^{[ talk ]} 19:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I didn't realize how widely believed it was that the Evil Realm is the Dark World. Obviously I see problems with this idea and agree it needs to be standardized.

Let's look at Rauru's Quote. He describes the Evil Realm as a void, or at least describes a void within the Evil Realm, whereas the Dark World is basically a dark and scary version of Hyrule, right? I also don't think it makes a ton of sense for the sages to seal Ganondorf within his own paradise; he strives his whole life to control and shape the Sacred Realm for his own desires, and as punishment gets locked inside and gets to keep it all for himself? Not likely. Assuming the Evil Realm is the Dark World and a tainted Sacred Realm, I can't imagine what the sages could possibly be thinking by locking up the Great King of Evil within their most sacred place rather than trying to claim it back; I would actually assume that they did claim it back, at least for some time, since, what, is the Golden Land spoken of in legends really supposed to remain a twisted universe of pure evil throughout the entire series? I suppose that's possible but...hard to imagine. Jimbo Jambo 20:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

The Dark World page should definitely NOT be merged with the Sacred Realm page in my opinion. In the Japanese, "Dark World", "Evil Realm", "Dark Realm", "Underworld" [in Adventure of Link] and other places are all the word "Makai". This word literally means Demon World, and means any territory under the controll of a Maou [Demon King]. Ganon is called a Maou in every single Zelda game [and no one else is], and thus, the "Dark World" is just ANY territory Ganon controlls. In A Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time, it's the Sacred Realm, but that by no means proves that all Dark Worlds/Makais are the Sacred Realm. Erimgard 20:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I never supported this merge either. Since you have resources for, state the differences on the page and remove the merge tag.Axiomist (talk) 02:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I think the general consensus here is not to merge, so I'm going ahead and removing the template. - M E L C H I Z E D E K  (TALK) 08:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I beg to differ. There are only three games in which there actually is a Dark World. And in two of them it is stated specifically that it was the Sacred Realm. That is two out of three. And in Four Sword Adventures the terrain is very similar to that in A Link to the Past and the Dark World functions in a nearly identical way. So it is the same Dark World. Meaning that it most likely is the same place and they should be merged.—Matt ^(T C F S) 18:25, March 10, 2009 (UTC)

Though it is mentioned to be the Sacred Realm, I think it shouldn't be merged. I think they deserve separate articles. I can't remember timing of when people are told in game that it is the Sacred Realm, but could merging these articles act as a spoiler to some people (Similarly to if we had merged Sheik and Zelda)? I think they are broad enough to have there own pages, stating they are one and the same with the Sacred Realm in OoT and aLttP on those pages. I'm with Erimgard on this.- M E L C H I Z E D E K  (TALK) 19:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

A spoiler is a good enough reason not to merge I guess. However, Erimgard's reasoning is not correct and is itself a spoiler. That should be removed from the page. Not only that, it is only a theory. Stating a theory to be fact right at the top of the page is not acceptable.—Matt ^(T C F S) 20:03, March 10, 2009 (UTC)

Spoiler victory. This article is in need of work though, which we'll have to discuss further.- M E L C H I Z E D E K  (TALK) 05:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Upon refreshing my memory with said games, I have come to the conclusion that it is not a spoiler to merge them. The fact that the Dark World and the Sacred Realm are both the same place is never hidden from the player. It is mentioned almost immediately in A Link to the Past. The player is barely is even aware of the Dark World before being told it was a resting place of the Triforce.

Link, it is I, Sahasrahla. I am communicating with you across the void through telepathy... The place where you now stand was the Golden Land, but evil power turned it into the Dark World.

— Sahasrahla

It isn't a spoiler.—Matt ^(T C F S) 20:06, June 11, 2009 (UTC)