Talk: Potion

Big Change[]

Okay, so I drastically changed the page. I plan on merging the Blue, Red, and Green Potion articles here, as well as correcting the image format errors. I think this merge is for the best, but if you disagree, discuss here (or also discuss if you agree, and want to add something). It's a stub because I know for a fact I didn't put anything abouth potions from Link's Awakening, the Oracle games, and Four Swords (if there are potions in those games), since I haven't played them. I have a feeling I missed something from the other games too. I'd continue to merge but I'm tired and have to go to sleep. So, whenever and if you see this... Discuss. Memo326 01:27, 14 January 2008 (EST)

I think that's a good idea, but are you going to mention chu jelly from Twilight Princess?--Green 01:45, 14 January 2008 (EST)

I think that ought to get a brief mention, with a link to the main article. One suggestion; while you're working on the article, could you maybe italicise the game names please? --Adam 01:56, 14 January 2008 (EST)

I am aware of there being a potion of sorts in Link's Awakening. You buy it from Crazy Tracy and it would automatically refill your hearts if you lost all your hearts. --Pluto 03:54, 14 January 2008 (EST)
I just realized that there is one of a similar nature in the Oracle games that you buy from Syrup the Witch.--Pluto 03:57, 14 January 2008 (EST)

I've added both as "Magic Potion". A specific name isn't technically given to the potion in LA (unless I'm mistaken), but because such a similar potion appears in the Oracles, I gave it the same name anyway. Since that was the main reason for the stub template, I've removed it. --Douken 11:28, 9 February 2008 (EST)

OK, so merge mainly complete; I'm only missing Blue Potion. I just don't know what to do with the extra images, since 5 Green Potion images for one paragraph is very excessive. So the images don't fade into oblivion, and so we decide what to do with them here, I put them here. ~~File: Red Potion PH.gif~~

Now, other than the merge, there is other information I would like to put on the page: where the potions can be bought/obtained and for how much rupees in each game. The Red Potion page didn't contain any of that, the Green Potion some, and the Blue Potion more, but it's still incomplete. I'll try to fill in those I know after (though I'll merge the Blue Potion first), but I certainly don't know all. So, if you know any (or any other info that might be useful to the page), put it in. I mean, duh, it's a wiki, that's the point. :P -- Memo326 23:26, 14 January 2008 (EST)

I don't know if putting the price would be a good idea. IMO it's too much information. Over time most of the article would just become the prices.--Green 23:59, 14 January 2008 (EST)

I think if it's possible to get full information on the costs, it may be interesting for comparative purposes, and needn't necessarily clutter the article.. The headers could be moved up from <h3> to <h2> to delineate each section with a horizontal line, then the costs could be places under a separate sub-header. PS good job so far! —Adam ^{[ talk ]} 00:50, 15 January 2008 (EST)

I think it would be alright if it was just from a game or two, or just in general, as long as every potion isn't given its own full list featuring five-or-so different games with multiple locations in each. (Then again, if someone could form an interesting section based on the pricing and locations alone... That might be worth seeing, but it's unlikely someone could pull that off.) --Douken 11:28, 9 February 2008 (EST)

So since I'm looking around today for stuff to do, we all good now if I merge the Blue Potion with this page since Memo seems to have disappeared?

I haven't been following this debate, but seeing as how Red and Green Potions are exclusively part of this article, I'd say yeah. Jimbo Jambo 22:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Reorganization[]

I'd like to suggest re-organizing this article. Right now it's organized by color, which I don't think works very well since the colors are inconsistent between games. I'd rather see these categories:

Health
- Manual
- Auto upon death
Magic
Both
- Normal
- Power-up (great fairy tears, etc)
Random effect

Then we could also link to milk, soups, and other health-restoring Bottle Items from these categories as a "see also". I think this would clean the page up considerably.
--Rootbeer277 16:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan (I think the current layout was just the easiest way to group the content when it was all merged from individual articles last year.) For the health subcategory names, I'd go for "Health-restoring" and "Life-restoring", and also use "Standard" in place of "Normal". —Adam ^{[ talk ]} 20:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I am thinking this change was a very bad idea. I think we should change it back to be organized by potion. Not by its effect. For inconsistencies between games that is VERY easily remedied with subsections for the potions in question. Right now I rather hate how this is organized. It seems sloppy and there are several redundancies in it. This way doesn't really work.Matt^(Talk) 18:09, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

It's bad, I know, but that's an improvement from terrible. Organized by game is a disaster. Organized by color is even worse. So pretty much this is the best it gets for now, I think more images and data is its only hope for improvements. Axiomist (talk) 00:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Reorganization Phase II[]

I'm not fond of the current layout. I'm in favor of it being arranged by potion. That's just more cleaner. Less confusing.Mandi ^Talk 05:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Mandi. Organizing by effect only places different colored potions together, and adds to to the confusion, especially between games. Instead what about this:

Red Potions
- Health Restoring
  - Game
- Magic Restoring
  - Game
- Red Potions with Other Characteristics
Green Potions
- " "
Blue Potions
- " "

etc. then

Game-Specific Potions

This would encapsulate the other colors (i.e. yellow, purple, etc. that aren't common to all games)

or something like that. Not only does it direct the reader to color and effect, it will also show them what game a certain potion with a certain effect is in. Basically its a merge of all three ideas. OR here's a better idea! Possibly this page would function better like the Boomerang and Shield articles, as more of a summarization page on the Potion as a general item. I've noticed that several merges were done to create this page; perhaps the Potions page would be better suited to link to individual Potion pages, i.e. Red Potion (which did exist as a page at one point), instead of attempting to accurately cover the wide range of ingroupable potions in the games. The page could still go into detail about the game-specific potions, like Chateau Romani, but have an overview of the main ones. — cipriano^talk 03:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Support

I gave this proposed split/summarization a lot of thought. And I've come to agree with it. The images are never going to be consistent on this page, the functions are too varied to fit in single sections, the pipelinks to the page are messy, and as a potion dump it's just doomed to be messy. Let's just not start splitting red rupee, blue rupee, etc ;) So this has my full support. Axiomist (talk) 06:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, schnitzel. I agree with Axi, but...I'm worried about the repercussions...—Justin^(Talk) 06:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

To describe more: the Red, Green, and possibly even the Blue Potions will simply be summarized, and linked to main pages about them, like they originally had, eons ago. However, when it comes down to the unique and uniquely-colored Potions, they will be catered to in full in this article. — cipriano^talk 20:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

You've just completely won my vote. Split approved in my eyes. But this is the ONLY TIME!—Justin^(Talk) 21:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Opposition

Reorganization Phase III[]

The newest proposal, submitted by Noble Wrot is the most encompassing, let alone complete of the reorganizations of this page. This page would be finally organized by effect. A sturdy effect is the only overarching, behavioral element that ties potions together, especially because a potion's effect does not reflect its color, or even what game it is in, under many circumstances. It would completely group all like effects together, regardless of color, and categorize them by game at its lowest level, where the smaller differences between potions (such as color) can be realized. Effect organization encompasses function, use, price, and characteristics in a way simple color or game organizations cannot - and will successfully place the potions collectively on one page. — cipriano^talk 21:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Support

Opposition

Picolyte[]

Is it worth adding a link from this page to Picolyte - it's a potion of sorts, so perhaps is relevant? Petenu 15:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Cross references are always welcome. Axiomist (talk) 15:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

From newly merged pages[]

Doth a potion by any other name justify it's own page? Axiomist (talk) 13:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow...it's a really well-made page, but...yeah, all of these potions are already talked about in the Potion page. Dany36 13:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

True, but a better endeavor would have been to expand/improve the Potion page. imo Axiomist (talk) 14:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused. Isn't this just the same thing as the Medicine page that was just created...? Dany36 13:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

..And Potion that already existed? Axiomist (talk) 14:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

XD Don't get me wrong, we appreciate the hard work that you're putting in these pages, but sometimes it's best to look around and see if a page hasn't already been made for an important item such as potions. Both the Water of Life and the Medicines in ALttP are in the Potion page. Might want to check it out. ;) Dany36 14:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Green Potion[]

I see that the last time the existence of separate articles for the Red and Blue Potions was debated was over two years ago. Therefore, I think I can safely assume that the Red and Blue Potion articles are here to stay. Given that, would anyone object to my creating a Green Potion article? They're the only potion that occurs anywhere near as often as the reds and blues and they show up in most of the same games. I've already got an article typed up and ready to go; just give me the OK and I'll add it to the wiki.--Osteoderm Jacket 21:27, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Hmmm...I don't see why not. The Green Potion appears in 5 Zelda games. It's pretty noteworthy. I say go ahead. :P Dany36 21:45, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Names in ALttP[]

"A Link to the Past, in which is was called Medicine of Life" etc.
In the second ending in ALttP (GBA) after beating Palace of the Four Sword and when having it in a bottle: "LIFE MEDICINE", "MAGIC MEDICINE", "CURE-ALL MEDICINE". When buying it, it still says "Medicine of Life"/"Medicine of Life and Magic" though. At least imho "Life Medicine" etc. sound proper. --Bernd 18:59, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

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