Talk:Mike Damiani/Archive 1

Are you guys even being serious here? It's great that this guy obsessively plays Zelda and everything, but that doesn't really make him part of the series. I think people browsing this page, including myself, are more interested in reading descriptions about the games rather than descriptions about the people who play them.


 * That's why he's in the "Community" category. As in, the people who make up the Zelda web community. On top of this, read the front page. We allow articles that aren't about Zelda. I try to stop new users from coming in and going insane when they see an article that isn't about Zelda, but it seems my efforts have failed. --Jase 19:58, 27 February 2007 (CST)


 * Ah, I see. I was looking through "All pages".  Thanks for clarifying.

Shortening
I think that becuase this person isn't part of The Legend of Zelda, rather part of the community, the article should be shortened or made into a user page. Does anybody agree with me?--Toon Link 20:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really? I mean, he's still part of the Zelda community; much more related to Zelda than, say, Mario. Besides, we can't make in into a user page unless he's a user on here. :P --Ando 13:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm familar with his speedruns and April Fool's Jokes, so I can understand the TSA page. But please tell me you'll be liberal with the 'delete' button. Otherwise every random fan will create their own page.Axiomist 02:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Perhaps we should set standards of notability for community member articles? For instance, this guy is known all over, and is featured on several sites for his various speed runs and such. That makes him pretty notable. John Smith from Nowhere who has made two posts on some site isn't very notable at all, therefore any page about him would be deleted. --Ando 04:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please do make some standards. Bc a fan nowadays, can dump a thousand videos on YOUtube, win a cosplay award, get a LOZ tatto, create an InvisonFree/Freeweb, a fanfic, fanart, and a fangame and claim notablity. Oh yeah and then there's the whole Timeline mess, I find Timeline theorists to be self-important enough to try anything.Axiomist 05:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Point taken. I'll discuss it with the rest of the staff and see what comes up. --Ando 17:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * EDIT: It just hit me that this is the guy who ran several large Zelda sites, which comprise a portion of the Wiki's coverage. Based on that alone, I think that he needs to stay. --Ando 17:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh I was never disputing TSA having a page, I know he deserves it. He was an exceptional LoZ community member before I ever even thought of making a first post. I just foresee a lot of trouble with other people thinking they too deserve a page for some obscure thing that they did. Having some sort of measuring stick beforehand will save us alot of bickering later. But I mean hardly anyone would measure up to TSA, so some reasonable standard-that's still difficult to obtain.Axiomist 22:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, Ando tends to skip over the parts above a previous post. Ohh, a little bit of brutal honesty there. Sorry. I have a feeling that we'll end up with quite a bit of bickering anyway. We might want to consider only allowing articles on Webmasters, owners, and Bureaucrats without compliant. Articles on just ordinary users should be discouraged. Anything else, like well-known or well-respected contributers or multiple-site contributers or similar should be decided on an individual basis. No one should ever create an article about themselves. Someone else must do it first. Someone could add to their own page, but only after it is created and approved! I hope this helps. It is a starting point.--Matt 01:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not that I didn't read it, I just misinterpreted what was said. To me "I hope you'll be liberal with the delete button" meant "hey delete this article"; obviously that wasn't the case. Understood, now. --Ando 02:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Qualifications
Well, I think a lot of Fans deserve a page for things they've done. But only the really really notable accomplishments. Like Chris Houlihan, whomever discovered the Arwings and other game hacks, Speed run record holders, the owner of Zelda III, the creator of Zelda III if it turns out to be fake, Whoever created the TP graphics WW screenshot for April Fools. In general, accomplishments that transcend forums and become widespread throughout the community.Axiomist 03:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe that all that you just said would fall under the heading of "well-known" in what I said. That's why I said that it should be decided individually, rather than forbidden.--Matt 03:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand, I was thinking you were advocating only Webmasters should have their own pages. Which I couldn't fully agree with.Axiomist 03:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What I meant on webmasters was that if a page was made about one, there would be no reason to oppose its being there.--Matt 03:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Generally, that is.--Matt 03:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

As I've mentioned above, the staff's discussing this... slowly. :P I'm hoping that soon we can get some precise guidelines up instead of just "well, maybe if a lot of people think they're cool?" That way we won't have to have some big debate to decide whether an article should stay every time we get one of these; we can just say "Yes / no, they do / don't meet notability standards" and move on. --Ando 02:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, the future is here now. Big Debate? check. Voting? check. Move on? not checked. It's the Couples of ZU now. I suppose that staff decision is ready. 12:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy
It's clear that there are some things on this page that are not completely accurate, as has been pointed out by TSA in the past. Unfortunately, it seems also clear a complete, unbiased account of TSA seems unreachable without the input of TSA. Considering this is one of the only pages on the entire Wiki dedicated to a specific community member. May I suggest we forward this page to TSA's User Page, of which he has been gracefully typing up. http://zeldawiki.org/User:TSA ~Mases