User talk:Ice Medallion/Thoughts

The point about the different continents featuring different flora and fana is pretty cool. It's not compeltely true though, both continents feature Octorks (the blue version can be found heading towards the Mountain Town of Darunia), Moas appear on both continents too though the eastern once are quite different being invisible as do Bago Bagos (the skullfish like enemies appearing on bridges). Both varieties of Deelers (spider like enemies) also appear on each continent and the devil like Acheman appears with no variation too. Still though it seems they did make quite the effort to have different species native to both continents since most of those examples above are restricted to Palette swaps only. An interesting observation to be sure. Don Lark Kiin 10:28, 30 July 2012 (EDT)


 * You're right. I'm going to have to fix that section. --Osteoderm Jacket 16:51, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Comment on that non-linear section-thingy
Just a little comment on that Non-linear section-thingy: In Skyward Sword, the order you visit Faron and Eldin in in the "song of the hero"-quest doesn't matter. Of course, we all now that if it hadn't been for that game breaking glitch, Lanayru would've been included there as well. 18:29, 30 July 2012 (EDT)


 * True. The only reason I don't note that is that I'm focusing on the dungeon sequence, which is linear. Maybe I'll add a note about the Song of the Hero quests. --Osteoderm Jacket 18:41, 30 July 2012 (EDT)


 * Oh 18:44, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Hello
"Zelda removes the original "spirit of the hero" (i.e. the element of Link that keeps reincarnating into new Links) from the Adult Timeline when she sends Link back to change history. Rather than dying and thus making reincarnation possible, Link simply vanishes without a trace. This is why no Link appears when Ganon breaks free from the Sacred Realm between OoT and TWW. This is also why multiple local deities and other savvy characters say that the Link in TWW is not the chosen hero; he is not part of the original chain of Link reincarnations. Instead, he earns his chosen hero status anew over the course of TWW."

Barring the initial sentence which is supported by the Japanese translation of the prologue and the KoRL's comment at Tower of the Gods, I disagree. Link of TWW is the Hero of Time returned. I've cited this argument I found this morning to back this up. As we now know, both posters were correct in their archetypal assessment of reincarnation; however as they both fail to point out, the King is astonished once it turns out Link is in fact the true bearer of the Triforce of Courage and immediately dons an air of apologetic acquiescence after his misjudging Link (having used him only to make the way for the presumed real hero easier). http://i.imgur.com/SCiCYHT.png

In other words, I see Ganondorf as the only veritable source to say whether or not Link is the chosen Hero we all know he's bound by fate to now. As for why Link isn't around to stop Ganon, we don't know for sure. However, the significance of the Hero's Shield as a family heirloom tells me that some knight with a line to the progenitor SS Link (or TMC Link) existed alongside the Hero of Time or later, that through some form came to inherit his shield or a symbolic replica of it. I'm not saying this person was a missing post-OoT Link in Ganon's prediluvian return. Merely inferring there could be a number of answers to that question, including that there was one and he simply failed to stop Ganon before the gods (possibly because as the KoRL says in the English version?? http://i.imgur.com/lviCFxn.jpg), or the family lineage that could bear his spirit only had females at the time (Whether due to Zelda's action, you decide.).

'''Unlike Hylia or the various local deities (e.g. the Great Deku Tree), the goddesses Din, Nayru, and Farore don't actually care who's running the world or what its residents do to each other, so long as it continues to exist. This is why the Triforce works the way it does.'''

I disagree with this too. If the goddesses worked like that then they would have left Ganon to rule. In the JP version Zelda says "Nobody knows why the Ancient Gods created the Triforce. But this is what I think. Despite it being created by the Gods, it’s a power which the Gods’ Tribe can’t use... Couldn’t that be a hope which is granted to ones which aren’t Gods?"

That sounds to me as if she's loosely saying that the Triforce was made impartial so that mankind would grow into gods in an objective environ; not one influenced by beings greater than them who keep the balance, whether they're good or bad. The context of her saying this is particularly interesting as it precedes immediately talking of Link being her hero and Hylia's sacrifice of her divinity. It's as if there's a double meaning to it, and they are the ensamples of her theory (which even with Hylia's memories is only a postulation). Partway through the conversation she inserts "The Absolute Power, the Triforce, created by the Gods and, such, it couldn’t be used by the Gods’ Tribe." but doesn't touch on it again until the end.

My two cents. I love your page by the way. God Bless

(On a sidenote> Here's where I got Zelda's dialogue: http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/zelda-theorizing/157928-zeldas-tell-all-speech-from-skyward-sword-translation-from-japanese-by-yamikawa.html Of other interest, the OP cites a fascinating point at the bottom of the post. "It makes sense now that at the end of SS, Shuuen no Mono's "curse" is more of a declaration of War against the God's tribe and those who defend it. It also makes me think that at the end, the "Demon Tribe's Realm" is the antithesis to the Silent Realm, which I believe to be the Sacred Realm, which is the God's Tribe Realm. But that's another theory for another time." I hadn't thought of that, but that could explain why Demise is not considered a god at all as I touched on your point between these, and thus able to to wield the Triforce at all. He's not from the God's Tribe Real but his own realm or world (Perhaps Lorule, and his "Demon Tribe's Realm" becomes their Sacred Realm?).)

Servantofgod (talk) 19:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)