User talk:MrMime

Images
While it's important to have proper attribution for images, we also can't place templates up without proper evidence. File upload dates are not significant evidence for screenshot-type images. Now for Vaati OoT.png, the uploader had listed the Zeldapedia URL, so that one is valid. But for Rabbitland Rescue.png this is not the case and upload dates alone are not conclusive enough to prove it so long after the fact. If it were more recent it might be more provable. As well, a more modified image would be more provable than a screenshot. Retaining objectivity is important in these matters. Best to not be blinded by competition between rivals. 19:21, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * While I do understand why we can't be sure if it is the same, the evidence that supports it being from Zeldapedia are as follows. Being how this screenshot would have to be taken from an emulator during a "cut-scene" in the game would make it statistically improbable that the images would match up exactly pixel for pixel. That shows that in all likelihood, this image is actually one in the same. Saying that the upload dates can then be used to determine which one came first. While there is a very slim chance that they are different, it seems highly unlikely. --MrMime 15:27, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I understand what you're saying, but the fact of the matter is that Zeldapedia is not the only source for Zelda images on the internet. For all all we know, the person who uploaded it to Zeldapedia could have ripped it off another site. We're looking into it. 19:32, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. Saying that they match up "exactly pixel for pixel" is pretty hard to know considering these are very low-quality images which are really small.
 * Being as they are the exact same size, a very easy way to see that they match up that well is but opening just the image in a different tabs in your browser. By switching quickly between the two tabs, there is no image shift making it easy to tell that the pixels match up exactly the same. --MrMime 15:39, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

Being identical can just as easily prove that BOTH Zelda Wiki and Zeldapedia got it from ANOTHER site or even a magazine. Given the size of it, it looks like it's a scan from a magazine to me. I'll reiterate, neither Zelda Wiki.org nor Zeldapedia are the sole sources for Zelda images. This is why we removed nearly all of our sourcing templates because the copyrights really belong to Nintendo, not the fansites. The Zeldapedia one is merely a concession between two rival sites to recognize each other's efforts put into heavily modified images. 19:43, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * The image size is the same number of pixels as a DS screen. Therefore DS emulators take screenshots of the image at the same resolution. If you can find what other source Zeldapedia could have stole this from then I might believe that it wasn't originally from them. But I was looking at the file contributions form the user that uploaded the image on Zeldapedia and it appears that they did many images from Spirit Tracks, thus indicating that he was using an emulator to generate many screens. --MrMime 15:52, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

I would also like to note that I have seen this problem of not citing images taken from Zeldapedia with many Spirit Track images. is another example. There are also two examples which I don't think can be disputed. The and  images. In the first image is an exact copy of an old revision from Zeldapedia. The version on Zeldapedia now has the a rail line on the map that was missing filled in. This is also the case with the maps for the Fire Realm and Snow Realm. As for The Wise One image, it is an exact pixel for pixel copy. This includes even the amount of health left being exactly the same. I believe that on these clear cut cases we should properly tag the images as taken from Zeldapedia as they to the same for images they take from here. In all the examples I listed here the images were uploaded 6 to 7 days after the Zeldapedia ones and all by User:Christopher --MrMime 16:15, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
 * With Christopher I'd tend to believe he did take them. It seemed like he was out for revenge on Zeldapedia. At least with the intial uploads of them by him specifically. The other versions uploaded by Dany and Steven we know for a fact were not taken from ZP. 20:22, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that with new versions uploaded by other people there is no way to tell. But I think on the versions we can tell that it was from Zeldapedia, we should add the tag. They seem to do the same for images borrowed from here. For example they had a user upload the Twili image and a tag that it was from here was added. --MrMime 16:28, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Any such suspect images uploaded by him that are still his original uploaded versions are most likely taken from Zeldapedia. This is supported by the fact that we've caught him taking from Zeldapedia before in the past. So they probably should be marked. We can get our own unique versions later. 20:32, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Should I go through and find the ones that match up or would it be better if a user that has been here longer does it so people don't think I'm adding the Zeldapedia tag randomly. --MrMime 16:35, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, and it seems like Dany's already hard at work go get our own unique versions. At least we're getting his stuff cleaned up at last. 20:54, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Call me crazy, but it seems like the two images Dany just uploaded were exactly the same. I'm not try to say Dany is just downloading what is there and re-uploading, but it sure seems like it. --MrMime 17:00, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Try refreshing the page, buddy! Rabbitland is different (completely), and the Vaati image is a bigger version that I just took. And yeah, don't worry, Matt, I'll get all of our versions today and TRY to upload them today as well. Dany36 17:03, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I could be a problem with my browser as it sometimes doesn't update new images on wikis correctly. I was just trying to check. Sorry for the mistake. --MrMime 17:05, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Ok, with the Rabbitland Rescue image you clearly just resized the image. It has the same boundaries but it has just been resized and distorted. Nevermind --MrMime 17:09, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

That happens with uploading new versions. Updating your browser cache, or clicking the purge tab usually updates it. If not then just wait a few minutes and it should. 21:15, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. Hopefully I don't screw up again due to that. --MrMime 17:17, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

Try not to get too overzealous with marking them. Yes he took some images, but that does not mean that he took every single image he uploaded. 21:22, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know. I believe I marked all the ones he did that matched and were uploaded later. There shouldn't be anymore that fit. --MrMime 17:24, 27 August 2010 (EDT)