Talk:Shipping in The Legend of Zelda Universe

This page is far from being done...there are still quite a few things I want to add to see why each pair is possible. I'm not a big fan of shipping, but I figured that since shipping is such a well-discussed topic among the fanbase, we needed to cover it since we also cover timelines and theories. This page is still missing LinkxDin (so heavily implied in the manga, and according to some folks, in the game too), LinkxNabooru (that silly promise...) and LinkxCremia (hey, hugs count :P). Soooo yeah, anyone feel free to help out. Facts only, please, whether they be in-game, from the manga/comics/tv show, or even interviews from the game creators. Oh yeah, I'll eventually redirect this page here, since it's pretty unfair that we had one for LinkxZelda and not the rest of them. Dany36 18:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * LinkxDin and LinkxNabooru are definite must-have additions to this article.


 * And I think we should mention the LinkxCremia hug just because of the lawls that easter egg was worth. I mean, is anyone here familiar with the term "marshmallow hell"? XD


 * --Cyberweasel89 21:25, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

Minor Additions
Just of note, I feel the sections for LinkxMalon and LinkxRuto are missing something. In Ocarina of Time, there are two Gossip Stones who mention something about Malon and Ruto, respectively.

One Gossip Stone mentions that Malon has been waiting for her knight in shining armor. Obviously, this was the basis for that page from the Ocarina of Time manga shown in the LinkxMalon section.

Another Gossip Stone mentions that Princess Ruto is something along the lines of very difficult to work with, but seems to have taken a liking to a certain boy.

Oh, one more thing. If you talk to Ruto while wearing the Zora Mask, she'll excitedly ask Link if he's decided to become a Zora to be with her.

Both of these statements require some "exact-quote-checking", but I just felt I should mention them.

--Cyberweasel89 21:25, 9 August 2010 (EDT)


 * Hmmm...true! I'll try to add those in just a second, but feel free to add them yourself! I haven't had much time to work on the wiki, but I'll see what I can do. :] Thanks for the tips. Dany36 21:59, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

LinkxDin
I agree, LinkxDin has to be filled in, we can't just have an unfinished section (or in this case, a blank one) there, it has to be filled in. I'm sorry... Super Mario  Super  Fan  21:16, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

I might be getting Oracle of Season Manga, so as soon as I get it, I will read through it, and filling in the blank section. Super Mario  Super  Fan  21:08, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

I found a quote to support the LinkxDin theory, in Oracle of Seasons, one of the troupe members states that Din is smitten with Link, and here's the quote "Ah... Din always looks so lovely! But she seems smitten with you. I'm jealous.", Would this be a good quote to put in the article? Super Mario  Super  Fan  13:50, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

I also found something else, after Link dances with Din, she compliments him on his dancing skills, and was about to confess something, before she decides to continue dancing; here's the quote: "That was fun! You're a good dancer! It's been some time since I had such fun! Hey! Your left hand! it has a ▲ on it. That is a sacred mark in Hyrule. If it's the true symbol, then you are a hero with a special fate, Link. A special fate! [...] Link, I... Umm... Nothing! Let us dance!". Should we put that in the article, too? Super Mario  Super  Fan  14:44, 21 August 2010 (EDT)


 * Go ahead, but of course, there must be a corresponding content section to go along with it! ;) Remember, this is not fan-fiction, so make it sound as much like factual content as possible without speculating too far into lovey-dovey-ness. 00:52, 22 August 2010 (EDT)


 * Umm.... I do not get what you mean by "corresponding content", "this is not fan-fiction", and the rest... Super  Mario  Super  Fan  10:10, 22 August 2010 (EDT)


 * It was a joke. ;) I meant that if you are going to add it to the article, it can't just be the quotes. About the fan fiction part, this article in the past, has fallen many a time to fan fiction-like writing. Editors have speculated further than the in-game evidence suggests on this page, and I just want to make sure we are being as factual as possible. 13:04, 22 August 2010 (EDT)


 * Actually, the quotes are the references. Super  Mario  Super  Fan  14:32, 22 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I understand, but even with references, wording in this article has become too theoretical in the past. 14:54, 22 August 2010 (EDT)


 * Ummm... How has it become too theoretical? Super  Mario  Super  Fan  14:57, 22 August 2010 (EDT)
 * When the page first began, users liked to extrapolate a bit too far about the supposed relationships between Link and the characters. The page is fine now, really, all I was saying is that if this bit about LinkxDin is added, make sure not to go off on a tangent about how Din was totally coming on to Link, with intent to get some later... yada yada. Keep to the evidence only! ;) That's all! 17:29, 22 August 2010 (EDT)


 * You're right, I'll get working on it right away while being as factual as I can. Thank you. Super  Mario  Super  Fan  18:45, 23 August 2010 (EDT)

I also found something in the Oracle of Seasons Manual that could help the LinkxDin section, but before I show it here, I want to know if information from the manual can be used, can it?
 * Of course! Just make sure you use the manual ref template to source it: here! Dany36 11:42, 3 September 2010 (EDT)


 * Well, actually... I got it from a website, Zelda Universe,(here) so I don't know if we should put it in the information... I'm sorry. Super  Mario  Super  Fan  17:26, 3 September 2010 (EDT)


 * And it's actually the prologue, the prologue appears in the manual or not?


 * Yes. It's fine if you got it from ZU though. You'll just have to use the cite web template instead. :D Dany36 12:07, 5 September 2010 (EDT)


 * Before I edit, one last thing: would the information from the prologue be canon or non-canon information? 13:08, 5 September 2010 (EDT)


 * Definitely canon! Especially because it's from an official source (it being the manual :P) Dany36 13:15, 5 September 2010 (EDT)


 * There, I put it there =), I really want to fill in this section as much as I can, so as soon as I get the manga, I will start looking for information. 13:51, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

I found another quote to support this theory, in a linked game, but I forgot it, so I will try to find it again in the game. 16:22, 6 September 2010 (EDT)


 * I found it!!! =D, here it is, it is pretty much the same as its unlinked counterpart, but the last part may greatly help, *ahem*! here it is: "That was fun! You're a good dancer! It's been some time since I had such fun! Hey! Your left hand! it has a ▲ on it. That is a sacred mark in Hyrule. If it's the true symbol, then you are a hero with a special fate, Link. Like Nayru, I am also a target, but I refuse to fall, no matter what the enemy! And my heart lifts when Link is beside me! Let us Dance!". Do you think this is Din confessing her love for him, or is it just an expression? anyway, should we use this quote as a resource?
 * Oh, definitely use the quote as a resource, but I wouldn't look into it more than the evidence allows. This seems to be a mere expression of joy rather than a confession of love, judging by the tone of the quote and the word choices. "And my heart lifts when Link is beside me!" would be a strange love confession - that's something one might say in church, not to someone else when confessing love, at least in our contemporary society. 08:53, 7 September 2010 (EDT)


 * But should I put the information regarding the quote? 17:16, 7 September 2010 (EDT)


 * Nevermind, I think I got it. Again, I will be as factual as I can. 19:54, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

Name
This article's a quite interesting piece of work, and I think it's pretty cool. However, I have a beef with the name. When I hear "Shipping," I think of shipping toys or something. I say we rename it to something like "Relationships in The Legend of Zelda Universe." That would make it clear and sound official. As is, it's unbelievably informal. 13:28, 22 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I agree. Using "Shipping" makes us sound unprofessional. --Wilbur 13:45, 22 August 2010 (EDT)
 * "Shipping" is way too . It's not something to use professionally for an article like this. I'd go with Justin's suggestion. 19:18, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I WAS going to go with "Relationships" instead of "Shipping," but...90% of these pairings aren't relationships. They're "shipping," which, as described in the first sentence of the article, is term used to denote a fans' interest or belief in the possible romantic relationship between two characters. I don't really see how the word shipping could create confusion or whatever (other than it being a bit informal) since the definition of it is right there on the first sentence. But whatever, this is the PEOPLE'S WIKI so if more people think that it deserves to be moved to Relationships instead, then so be it. B) Dany36 11:15, 23 August 2010 (EDT)
 * It could be something like Implied Relationships instead. -- Wi lb  ur  11:18, 23 August 2010 (EDT)
 * "Implied Relationships in The Legend of Zelda Universe"? Long name, but better than it just being "Relationships." :P Dany36 11:20, 23 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I have to disagree here and say that "Relationships" and even "Implied Relationships" are inaccurate titles. What's being discussed here IS shipping, and while some people may not be familiar with the term, that's what it is. To change the name just because people are unfamiliar with it seems silly. They come here to be educated, so let's give them the facts. At least, that's my take on it... 11:22, 23 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Yes, but bear in mind that using 'shipping' makes us look unprofessional. -- Wi lb  ur  11:31, 23 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I don't see how using an esoteric term is unprofessional if it's the most accurate. 11:37, 23 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Judging by Dany's and Embyr's comments here, I'd have to agree to keep the name. "Implied Relationships" just sounds strange and longer than it needs to be, and "Relationships" doesn't really cover it - that vague term could branch out to the many NPC relationships, and also into ones that aren't romantically motivated in the game. "Shipping", informal as it may be, is the best title, and we should just keep it. And it's truly not that unprofessional - the article could be named "Link's Cockventures in the Legend of Zelda Universe" or "Link's Horny Fantasies in...." Ya get the point. 12:12, 23 August 2010 (EDT)

I've never been fond of the term "shipping" for the reasons Justin mentioned. But, in this particular instance, "shipping" is more accurate than "relationship". 16:23, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think we're really understanding the meaning of "relationship" itself here. It seems everyone is taking it to mean something literally romantic. That's just not the case. Let's go to the Dictionary.com definition:


 * 1) a connection, association, or involvement.
 * 2) connection between persons by blood or marriage.
 * 3) an emotional or other connection between people: the relationship between teachers and students.
 * 4) a sexual involvement; affair.
 * I take it everyone here has been assuming it's the forth. But in the broader definition, "relationship" is a much more appropriate and fitting term than "shipping" is. 17:49, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * According to that definition, shipping is basically a slang of "relationships". Which would mean it would be proper to change it to Relationships in the Zelda Universe. 18:00, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * My point exactly. 14:27, 23 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Either way, they're both okay, but I prefer "shipping". Evey section in this article speaks of a relationship Link has with a girl in the series, all of it potentially romantic. If we name the article with "relationships" we might as well make this article huge with all of the relationships Link has with all of the characters he meets in the games, if we are to consider Matt's definition assessment. This article is about the romantic interests of Link and other women in the series, hence my opinion "shipping" is better. "Shipping" may be slang for relationships, but by definition in the article, it is more relevant and precise. That's my two cents, I'm out! ;) 16:40, 23 August 2010 (EDT) EDIT: Whatever we change the article name to, it's gonna suck. I hate the name "shipping" too, but it's the better of nine billion evils. :P  16:41, 23 August 2010 (EDT)


 * Ok, last thing I'll say and then I'll butt out too... but the fact is "shipping" is strictly romantic, and that's what this page is about. It shouldn't be called "relationships" for the reason that Matt said and Cip echoed: Relationship has a broader meaning than just romantic, and most of the relationships people ship are a stretch and not really in-game anyway. So to say that these are bonafide relationships insinuates solid in-game romances that simply aren't there. LinkxSaria, for example. They're childhood friends and nothing more as far as in-game text applies. But people like to Ship that couple because... people are weird, I don't know why lol. But anyway. Shipping is what's being discussed in this article. Not Link's relationships to all female characters in-game. It's basically an article about what perceived romances people base their fanfics on. And as far as Shipping sounding unprofessional, that's like saying The Dictionary is unprofessional for putting Ain't in there. That's just what it is! =) 17:38, 23 August 2010 (EDT)


 * Then again, this page could just be called Romance in the Legend of Zelda Series. Then the page could expand to include Anju/Kafei, Maggie/Moe, and any other significant relationship in the series. This article could go from non-canon to a snapshot of all the romances in the series. Is this solved? ... :P 22:32, 3 January 2011 (EST)


 * That should be a different article. Link doesn't even HAVE a legitimate in-game romance. I don't know how I can better explain that Shipping and bona-fide in-game Romances are not the same thing. Go to fanfiction.net and you'll see what I mean. For example, I'm an Ashei/Shad Shipper. They have no real romance. It's made up. But that's a neat idea for a new article. On an unrelated topic, the name should still be changed because the shippings being discussed in this article are Link-centric. So it's not really in The Legend of Zelda Universe as much as it is in Relation to Link. 23:23, 3 January 2011 (EST)

Doesn't "shipping" also mean "transporting cargo by any means" (en.wp)? Thus couldn't "Shipping in The Legend of Zelda Universe" also refer to trading sequences and postal services in Zelda games? As "shipping" includes "ship" and also means "navigation" etc., couldn't shipping also refer to traveling by boat or ship like in The Wind Waker? Thus wouldn't be "shipping" for pairings and romatic relationships be kind of retarded resp. wouldn't/couldn't "Shipping in The Legend of Zelda Universe" mean much more? -Bernd 04:29, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

What to do with all of these Non-canon templates?
The non-canon template, let alone all of the new notice templates, is nice and focused when there is only one at the top of an article. There are six in this article in different locations, making the article look messy and sporadic, not to mention they are enormously distracting in groups (like neon lights). Wouldn't it just make the most sense to have only one non-canon warning at the top of the page instead of six? For those of you that are thinking, "well, there are parts of the article that are canon", the entire focus of the article is achieved by using canonical information in a non-canon way. Opinions? 22:29, 3 January 2011 (EST)
 * Yeah I was thinking of just placing all the non-canon stuff at the bottom of the page, but then that would just get more confusing. I like your idea more, though, so I'm all for it. :P Dany36 22:38, 3 January 2011 (EST)

LinkxZelda=Skyward Sword Section
I Think it's time to add that section ;) since it's the one that has the most ZeLink hints ever. --Isamisa 19:26, 10 December 2011 (EST)
 * Indeed. By all means, feel free to try and write it up yourself! :) 08:34, 11 December 2011 (EST)

I would love to, but the game hasn't arrive to my country. So I can't write. I think that all the users that are playing or have finished Skyward Sword should write the section, plus adding the Skyward Sword manga one ;) --Isamisa 13:52, 15 December 2011 (EST)
 * I've started on the Skyward Sword section, but I haven't finished the game yet so I only supplied what I've seen. Anyone who's beaten it is free to add on or revise what I said. --KingStarscream 19:07, 17 December 2011 (EST)

Thank you very much for adding the information!! You did a great job! 8D You made me happy! :) When I start to play the game, I also will add the info :3 --Isamisa 08:30, 18 December 2011 (EST)
 * Beat the game a few days ago and updated. There are some pretty strong hints there at the end. --KingStarscream 12:00, 20 December 2011 (EST)

Link & Peatrice
This needs to be added as well, since it's probably the most overt romance in the series.KrytenKoro 14:31, 26 December 2011 (EST)
 * Agreed. I'll see what I can do. --KingStarscream 09:52, 28 December 2011 (EST)
 * EDIT: Let me know what you think. --KingStarscream 10:34, 28 December 2011 (EST)
 * Looks perfect.KrytenKoro 11:43, 28 December 2011 (EST)


 * I agree! Looks great...covered pretty much everything about their relationship. Good job! :) Dany36 12:17, 28 December 2011 (EST)

ALTTP's comic
In the A Link to the Past's comic of 1992, Link and Zelda develop a cleary romantic's relationship similar to the OOT's manga. I think that should be included in the LinkxZelda's section.

ZeLink in SSBB
Should we include Link's and Zelda's relationship in Brawl? plus, besides, Link always cared for Zelda. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_m5AsTPaPw

Ps. Anyone, should answer the other guy's topic above.

--Isamisa 19:23, 28 July 2012 (EDT)

Zelda x Link in Ocarina of Time 3Ds Manga (new)
There are a few ZeldaxLink moments in the new manga by Akira (celebrating the OoT 3ds remake), check it here: http://s1224.beta.photobucket.com/user/XOzelinkOX/library/ocarina%20of%20time%20manga in case if you're willing to read it! (it's only 16 pages). Enjoy! --Isamisa 16:56, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Is there anyone interested in this topic? Ps. Here's a part of Aounama's interview of why he added Zelda x Link romance in SS: http://zelinkclub.deviantart.com/journal/Gameinformer-interview-Eiji-confirms-romance-273408408 --Isamisa 15:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Well hey feel free to add it to this section of the article. :) 22:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Link and Darunia
I rather hoped to find a Link and Darunia section. XD This is not to debate the merits of one ship over another (which I know is always a lost cause), but I just thought it would be interesting to read about. Whether or not it's one-sided, Darunia seemed quite taken with Link, and I found it all quite hilarious. I know for a certain there is shipping fanart of the two. - Dermot Mac Flannchaidh (talk) 16:34, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * From a practical perspective, I think it's safe to say the only thing going on there is an unrequited bromance.


 * I'm not sure what to think here. What are we're trying to do with this article? Is it supposed to be a community piece, or an objective and canonical listing of romantic events? The lead gives the impression that it's the former, and it's in the community category. But it's also in the mainspace and, from what I can tell, the content is mostly pragmatic. If this is supposed to be a community piece, and a Link x Darunia ship exists within the community, then it belongs here. Otherwise it doesn't. 13:08, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * "Unrequited bromance" sounds like a fair description. And, to be quite honest, I wasn't sure what this article was for. XD My first assumption was that it's a description of shipping as it exists among any Zelda fans.  The intended scope (whether just the wiki community or the entire Zelda community) seems to be presented ambiguously. - Dermot Mac Flannchaidh (talk) 20:22, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Link and Zelda in OoT
I think we should mention that, canonically, what Zelda did to Link at the end (barring every other choice she made, which uniformly led to disaster), directly led to the Great Flood in one timeline, and Link becoming the Hero's Shade in another timeline. Basically, Zelda destroyed Hyrule and damned Link to a neverending, hellish existence with that decision.

Meanwhile, Ruto was just somewhat clingy.KrytenKoro (talk) 20:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

This page seems pointless
This wiki is supposed to be providing accurate information, not pure fan speculation. This page seems to be for fanfiction writers to find evidence for their shipping, but that is still not accurate information. This page is using random cues, quotes, and actions and putting meaning behind them. Most of these shippings seem to be either one sided love or speculation, not real evidence. Instead of keeping this page I feel it would be better to mention any CONCLUSIVE evidence for the shipping on one of the pages of those involved (whichever makes more sense for the situation). This page seems to, in my opinion, take away validity of this site. This is, as has been pointed out many times, not a forum, it is a wiki for accurate information. Sorry if my proposal offends anyone, but I do not believe any page about speculation should exist on a wiki of accurate information. Dark Mirror&#39;s Link (talk) 19:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree; this page should be reporting on shipping in the fandom, not being part of it -- that ambition should be relegated to the User: space, and the reporting to the Community: space.KrytenKoro (talk) 22:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * We finally have something that we agree on, though I personally would want to take it further than you, I think that what you stated about this is also acceptable. Dark Mirror&#39;s Link (talk) 22:39, 5 February 2014 (UTC)