Talk:Temple of Time

Split
I suggest that this page be split into two pages: the Temple of Time and the Temple of Light. The two are entirely different places in different realms and therefore each should have its own page. Hisak 13:58, 14 June 2007 (PDT)

Seems to have already been done.Pel&#39;marn Dakari 10:05, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Formatting
It seems that there is some debate over whether the article title should be shown in bold throughout this article. This has been removed and re-done a number of times now, so it would seem that a consensus needs to be reached on whether this is necessary. I personally think that it is correct to show the page title in bold, since it should always be a link, and adding within the article of the same name creates bold formatting. Please post reasoned responses contesting the bold formatting here. --Adam 23:24, 1 August 2007 (PDT)

Another formatting concern
I don't agree with the recent removal of links from this article: history. As far as I'm concerned, the only valid reason to remove a link is if it is factually incorrect. Personally, I would have simply reverted the edits if they didn't contain useful grammatical fixes. I propose that the links be reinserted, any opinions? --Adam 00:15, 7 August 2007 (PDT)
 * The general rule I follow (and this is common on many wikis) is to always indent the title of a particular game, only create a link to an article once, at its first mention.

The article title was a dumb idea on my part from when I was still getting the hang of editing a wiki. It's pointless, and much too troublesome to do for every page out there.Pel&#39;marn Dakari 10:05, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Temple of Light
has anyone else noticed how in tp there are light medllaion symbols everywhere.also there is the long boobytraped hallway.i think you actually get to explore the light temple as that hallway at the start has skulls.want to know what think?i think that hall was guarding the triforce.

please answer.

I Am pretty conviced it is the Temple of Light.

M R

Should I add to it the fact that it is a common theory that the bigger area in Twilight Princess is in fact the Temple of Light?
 * I don't think you should. Because in TP they very clearly say that the Temple of Time is the Temple of Time. Remember, you play the...whatever the name of it...the Whatever of Light will warp Link to the Temple of Time. And, I believe, Rauru will say that they are in the Temple of Light--in the Sacred Realm--when Link wakes up. I think it's just a gateway to the Temple of Light. Ah:


 * "Ages ago, we ancient Sages built the Temple of Time to protect the entrance to the Sacred Realm... This is the Chamber of Sages, inside the Temple of Light... The Temple of Light, situated in the very center of the Sacred Realm, is the last stronghold against Ganondorf's evil forces."


 * Saibh 20:28, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

M R

But it might be that the dungeon part is the Temple of Light because of the Light symbols everywhere and the hallway at start mabey it.s there to guard the Triforce, Also the Temple of Time was not eight floors, And perhaps the dungeon part is a diffrent part of the Light Temple.
 * That doesn't really mean much. Besides, time has passed. It's not like it's not possible that they didn't expand on the Temple. Anyway, it says clearly that the Temple of Light is in the Sacred Realm. Saibh 00:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge?
these articles should be merged! it is just the same place so why not

it made more than enough sense to meto merge these two articles, as the info on each was practically the same. There should be no objections to a merger.

Cipriano 119 14:24, 17 January 2007 (CST)
 * I'm not sure what article you're talking about here, but I just effectively merged the Door of Time article into this one.Pel&#39;marn Dakari 10:05, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Dungeon Map
Would someone be so kind as to add the dungeon map from Twilight Princess to this article? Pel&#39;marn Dakari 19:15, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

But there is no possible way the Hylians or even the Ooca could make that many traps and eight floors in a little while, Besides a obersvation ive made is Light meddalion symbols every where, The Beamos in the dungeon have the Triforce marks on their chests, Also the stain glass window may be a portal, if it is indeed a extention to the Temple of Time why would they put traps in it if their was nothing to guard? Also the Seven sages appear on the walls, pretty much everything has Light meddalion symbols and perhaps when then Triforce was stolen by Ganondorf the temple tryed to fuse it.s two counterparts together, So it must be the Temple of Light, Oh and also the Dominion Rod was not very clock like it had a light type power.Melanie Ravenswood 05:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It is not the Temple of Light. We are not making this up. The Temple of Light is in the Sacred Realm:
 * "This is the Chamber of Sages, inside the Temple of Light... The Temple of Light, situated in the very center of the Sacred Realm, is the last stronghold against Ganondorf's evil forces."

- Rauru (Ocarina of Time)


 * Now stop saying they are the same. They are not.--Matt 05:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I Say they are, And there are too many facts to ignore such a find, Oh well.Melanie Ravenswood 21:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "Too many facts"? Who's to say that the Hylians placed all of the traps? They sure didn't put the enemies or the Mirror Shard in there. This is the same Temple of Time from Ocarina of Time (I'd imagine, not sure why there'd be another) only expanded. Weren't there Light Medallion symbols in Ocarina's Temple of Time as well? I can't remember.
 * Also, Matt's quote basically disproves everything. Rauru says that the Temple of Light is in the Sacred Realm. I think that it's fairly obvious that neither Ocarina's Temple of Time nor Twilight Princess' Temple of Time are in the Sacred Realm. --Ando 22:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Do we have to get an image of this quote? The Light Medallion symbol was on the floor at the warp point in the Ocarina of Time temple. In a way the Temple of Time is a temple of light but it is not the Temple of Light. That is that. 22:18, June 22, 2008 (UTC)

But Raru never said that there wasnt more than just one room, Besides Im just saying it could be not that it is, Perhaps it is both the Temple of Time and the Temple of Light, Mabey something like the Temple of Time+Light? Oh well the folks at Zelda Wikia think it might be, I am just not convinced that it it.s just the Temple of Time and nothing more.Melanie Ravenswood 00:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

If it isnt the Temple of Light than that means it.s very dissapoting, But in A Link to the past, in the center of the Dark World is the Pryamid of Power, And isnt the Dark World suppose to be the Sacred Realm? Then that would make sence if the Pryamid of Power and the Temple of Light are one and the Twilight Princess Temple of Time and Light Temple are one and the same because the Pryamid of Power could contain the traps and eight floors, and if the Light Temple is just one room than thats a pretty poor excuse of a place to house the Triforce. So yes the Twilight Princess Temple is actually the Temple of Light and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.Melanie Ravenswood 04:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, the Dark World IS supposed to be in the Sacred Realm (if I remember correctly), but the Pyramid of Power isn't the Temple of Light: it's the Dark World version of Hyrule Castle. The Temple of Light (and also the Temple of Time) weren't present in ALttP. I'm honestly not sure where you're getting the idea that any of this has to do with the Pyramid of Power. :/
 * As for the "if the Light Temple is just one room" thing, we're not sure how big it is. All we've seen is the Chamber of Sages. It couldn't have been a terrible place to hold the Triforce anyway (assuming it was there, I can't remember if it was in the Temple of Light or just somewhere within the Sacred Realm) given that in order to even gain access to the Sacred Realm you need the three Spiritual Stones AND play a specific song on the Ocarina of Time AND still have to be the Hero of Time in order to release the Master Sword and break the seal. Not exactly something just anyone can do. Not to mention that if it was easy to do, then the war that took place before OoT (which was started because of peoples' lust for obtaining the Triforce) would have ended with someone taking it, which they obviously didn't. But hey, believe what you want to, I'm just stating why it makes no sense to me. 14:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah....I'll let you guys handle this. I honestly haven't played enough Zelda games to understand all this. 14:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

But it should make sense that all those traps and that doorway make it harder for people to get thourgh? Oh well I just come up with theories like perhaps the Ocarina of Time Forest Temple was once a grand manor house and the Poe Sister's are the daughters of the former owner. I really wish you guys would understand what Im pointing out.Melanie Ravenswood 18:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * We get that these are theories. But they are just bizarre theories that can never be proven. Zelda Wiki.org is not a place to dump every single miscellaneous theory. It a theory like that were added, it would be removed. 19:46, June 27, 2008 (UTC)

Temple of Time/Tower of the Gods
Who has any comments about my theory?--RupeeLord 09:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You did note some pretty interesting similarities - the staircase, the scales - but I'm not so sure about the point regarding the similarities between the maps. A small corridor leading into a circular room is not exactly the most unique layout, so unless it was absolutely identical or unmistakably similar, I would not go as far as to say that they're the same room. Jimbo Jambo 21:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I personally belive that the Tower of the Gods from Wind Waker was re-made slightly different, then re-named "Temple of Time", and put in Twilight Princess. But the thought is great, the wires in my brain would've never connected on its own. ~Moshata, The Mistress~ 00:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what's going on here
First of all, I'm gonna cut the fluff from the theory section to not present actual arguments, but mere statements of facts. The page is protected since it seemed to just bounce back and forth between revisions. 02:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Now I'm fairly satisfied with this. After removing all of the details used for actually arguing a theory on forums, this is the only thing really left. Sad to see fighting over so little. I'll unprotect the page tomorrow. But I hope this serves as an example of how ZW wants to present theories in a completely neutral manner. We aren't out to convince readers one way or another. 05:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Sealed Grounds (Skyward Sword Spoilers)
Based on the ending of Skyward Sword, it seems logical to suggest that the temple at the Sealed Grounds is what becomes the Temple of Time in Ocarina of Time. The Temple of Time in Skyward Sword was pretty much destroyed, and the Gate of Time was re-activated at the Sealed Grounds. Not only that, but the Master Sword was left there. Cube 07:42, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Star Fox Cameo
Something interesting I've observed: In Ocarina of Time inside the Temple of Time, the interior texture walls look somewhat like Fox McCloud of Star Fox fame. I'm able to see his head, the ears, nose and his communicator-like head device. Coincidence?

Split
I suggest we split this page in two because of the existence of a second Temple of Time in Skyward Sword which is unrelated. Anyways, I suggest we merge the Sealed Temple page with this one, since Hyrule Historia (the good old book which reveals pratically all secrets of Zelda) says that Rauru constructed the Temple of Time upon the ruins of the Temple of Hylia. I also suggest we keep the Temple of Time name since it's the name most fans know. We could name the other page "Old Temple of Time", "Ancient Temple of Time" or "Temple of Time (Skyward Sword)". Who's with me? --Zelda Fan 123 17:29, 17 January 2012 (EST)

I disagree, they both share the same exact purpose as a location in which time itself can be changed, warping Link to the future or the present or the past. The Sealed Temple is something I disagree with as well, it was renamed and had a different purpose in guarding the seal in which Demise had been imprisoned in for years. Sorry, but unless more people agree I will say no. XXSuperXXNintendoXx 17:38, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * Still the same place. And it's the resting place of the Master Sword in both situations. The Lanayru Desert Temple of Time is a completely different place. We could also name the article with the new Temple of Time "Temple of Hylia" and the one with the old Temple of Time "Temple of Time", but then again: people would get confused. Not everybody played SS. --Zelda Fan 123 17:46, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * The problem isn't they are in different locations, they have the same purpose therefore being called the Temple of Time. Also please use |XXSuperXXNintendoXx 17:51, 17 January 2012 (EST)| to sign your username. XXSuperXXNintendoXx 17:51, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * If you wish to keep the other Temple of Time in the page, it's ok. What I want to do is to merge the Temple of Hylia page with this one, mostly. It could really fit, at least in my mind. --Zelda Fan 123 17:54, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * Actually I'm more against the Sealed Temple being merged, it serves as a place to watch over Demise's Seal XXSuperXXNintendoXx 17:57, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * But Demise was destroyed at the end of SS. And I prefer the title Temple of Hylia, seems fancier. Anyways, it's the history about the place. It once was a temple that was made to watch over Demise, then it was a resting place of the Master Sword. --Zelda Fan 123 18:01, 17 January 2012 (EST)

I agree about the ToT in Lanayru to be split from this page, simply because they are not the same ones. They may have some similarities, but the ToT in the desert wasn't a portal to the SR. That's a pretty important difference. I think the Sealed Temple and the Temple of Time should be kept separate though. Again, they have some similarities but they are different temples constructed at the same location. Zeldafan1982 18:36, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * This is how I believe things should be arranged. The Temple of Hylia will stay as a part of the Sealed Temple, as it is in the same location in the same game. They do not appear in any other game or at least not in name. There are only a few facts that connect the different temple together, but we can say with certainty that the Sealed Temple was once the Temple of Hylia. The reason that the different that the different Temples of Time are in one article is that they share the same name, and there is no fundamental difference separating them other than location and appearance. Besides, only three such locations have appeared in the series. It is not confusing to put them in one article. Noble Wrot 19:03, 17 January 2012 (EST)


 * I disagree with the merge. The Sealed Temple/Temple of Hylia served a different purpose at one point, and although at the end of SS it serves as the location of the Master Sword, it had a long history before it to separate it from being in this article. If anything, it could cause even more confusion. Plus, if readers are interested in reading more about the history of the Temple of Time BEFORE it became the ToT, they can read about it on the Sealed Temple page, which is mentioned in the History section of this article. As for splitting the desert ToT, we basically know nothing about it, unless there's some information about it in Hyrule Historia. :P For now though, I disagree to that, too. --Dany36 19:22, 17 January 2012 (EST)


 * Well, now that we're talking about splitting, I think the TP section needs to be made it's own article, in accordance with the new policy currently being discussed. Anything pertaining to the location could stay here, with a link to a main article about the dungeon itself (including the "Themes and Navigation" and such). The extra information about the dungeon really clutters up this page. 07:32, 18 January 2012 (EST)

"Traces of the Era of the Hero of Time" (Hyrule Historia)
Take a look of this section here. I think it's a clear implication that the OoT ToT and the TP ToT are one and the same. Zeldafan1982 17:53, 21 January 2012 (EST)

Possible Two Temples?
Bear with me a moment here, let me explain, just looking at the geography you can see that the location of the temple in TP is far from the location in OoT. Even if Castle Town was moved to Lon Lon Ranch area, the Temple is too far away to be the same one. What if the Sealed Temple in SS came first, then when people moved to the surface and the Era of Chaos happened, Rauru built a new temple closer to the Sage of Time (Zelda) and put the Master Sword there? That temple could have been in or near Castle Town. Then, after Link gets sent back to childhood at the end of OoT and goes through Termina (I have a different theory about that), Link either finds Navi or, really stretching it, Fi he is led to the original resting place of the Master Sword, where he returns it. That could bring it back to the correct location for TP. The In-Game map also supports this.   Remember, the TP map is Wii, so flip it, because GameCube version is Cannon in my opinion. It matches to me. What are anyone else's thoughts? --FriendXander (talk) 05:37, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I feel like the Historia conclusively stated the OoT and TP versions were the same, but in any case, beyond having a Time Gate the original Temple of Time in Lanayru Desert didn't share the aesthetic that the OoT and TP versions very much did.KrytenKoro (talk) 14:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but what page is that on? I have a copy of Hyrule Historia, and I don't see where it explicitly says that. Also look here There is no side thing, plus what happened to the forest in OoT? Did they cut it down, then randomly let it grow to cover Castle Town? --FriendXander (talk) 14:24, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The maps are just artwork. If you look at the actual levels, it's clear that the TP and OoT versions are essentially the same building.KrytenKoro (talk) 21:56, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

What levels? I look at the screenshots, I play the game, I look at logic, it says that chopping down a forest, building a city, destroying every last trace of the city except the Temple, and letting the forest cover it, makes no sense. This, what I am saying makes sense. I will quote Hyrule Historia here, this is page 77 Under The Seal of the Sacred Realm, "The Battle For The Sacred Realm The legend of a supreme power spread throughout the land, whetting the appetites of those who would possess the Triforce and inciting vicious battles between them.     Rauru, the Sage of Light, constructed the Temple of Time, which contained the only existing entrance into the Sacred Realm, where the Triforce was located. With power stronger than both time and the Master Sword, Rauru sealed the Sacred Realm." Where does it say it is the same temple? --FriendXander (talk) 00:49, 8 November 2013 (UTC) I read the little side note that said,"Temple of Time The only entrance to the Sacred Realm's Temple of Light, the Temple of time shares the same name as the temple in the Lanayru Desert of the Era of the Goddess Hylia. It is thought that Rauru built the Temple of Time directly over the ruins of the Sealed Temple." Thought is the keyword. Even Hyrule Historia itself says,"This Chronicle merely collects information that is believed to be true at this time..." So thought makes it that much more "wibbly-wobbly-timy-wimey", as The Doctor from Doctor Who would put it. --FriendXander (talk) 02:28, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * As far as regards the material on the page, the temples are presented in the same role, and have the same aesthetic. The Hyrule Historia has a "get-out-of-contradictions-free" card, yes, but treating that as a blanket "this book cannot be used to define canon" is nonsensical and clearly against the intent of the book, especially when the OoT player's guide already played that trick (and was 100% not meant to be interpreted as "this is all baseless"). Furthermore, the intent of the games is clearly for them to be the same building, rather than a totally separate building -- hell, time travel is involved in entering the dungeon, and Zelda time travel is as timey-wimey as anything there is. Quibbling about surroundings and geography (especially in a game series about epic magic) is a red herring, and can't determine any sort of canon useful for reporting on this page.
 * At best, I would think the community would let you get away with a trivia piece noting that the location of the temple seems to have shifted, but even that might be too speculatory.
 * (HK, please tell me if this is considered as going OT, I tried to keep it to just the topic of changes to the article.)KrytenKoro (talk) 15:29, 8 November 2013 (UTC)