Talk:Hylian

Has anyone besides me noticed that Kreatz from Metroid appears to be a Hylian? Could this mean that Metroid takes place in the same reality as Legend of Zelda?

Could you please link to an image of Kreatz?--Knife 00:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ARMAS, there is legitimately mountains of evidence separating Metroid and Zelda. However, Nintendo has, and often does, incorporate internal game references into their games - his is likely to be just a Zelda reference in a Metroid title. Nothing more. =) 01:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Kreats only appears in the manga. You cannot consider the manga Metroid canon, let alone Zelda canon, so tis is really irrelevant, as it is obviously just an easter egg. Bradleyshorwith 12:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

A new theory
So how about the theory that the Hylians are the descendants of the human reincarnation of The Goddess Hylia?

I thought...
I think that in the second section we should use a different example. Skyloft is used alot. 20:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * You mean in the "Hyrule" section, yes? Skyloft is a big part of that section, but it's kind of an important part of Hyrule's (and the Hylians') origins. You're right though, the section mentions Hyrule's beginning, but not its middle and end. I went ahead and added that to the section. :) 22:34, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. 00:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Skyloft and definition for 'Hylian'
The opening paragraph in this article describe's Hylians as "Descended from the people who lived among the goddess Hylia", and includes Skyloft as a Hylian settlement, however Hyrule Historia defines that information.

According to Hyrule Historia, Hylians have that name not because they worship Hylia or because they lived among her (Skyloft people), but because they are actually her blood descendants: "Created by the Golden Godesses and protected by the goddess Hylia, the world eventually became known as Hyrule. The Hylians, descedants of Hylia, lived in Hyrule and possessed magical abilities." (HH, p. 77). This means that only those who are descended from SS Zelda (Hylia's human incarnation) are considered Hylians, which automatically rules out Skyloftians and any other pre-SS people. Also of note, this quote comes from the chronology section right after Skyward Sword's ending, further confirming that the Hylian race only started after the events of that game (i.e. once Zelda had descendants).

Thus mention of Skyloft in the article's opening paragraph as well as the whole 'Skyloft' section must be removed since that people don't correspond to HH's definition of the term 'Hylian', and the race description should be changed from "Descended from the people who lived among the goddess Hylia" to "Descended from the goddess Hylia" or, more specifically, "Descended from the goddess Hylia's human incarnation". VeggiePopper 18:28, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the translation from the passage you quoted may not be accurate. According to Snow, the wording on page 93 is similar (link), and it got translated as follows: "Until the era of the Hero of Time, the kingdom of Hyrule was mostly inhabited by the Hylian people, whose existence was linked to their goddess, Hylia. Hylians possessed a special power: it was said that their long ears allowed them to hear the voices of the gods."
 * Furthermore, if Hylians are only SS Zelda's descendants, who eventually become the Royal Family, then the passage from page 93 doesn't make sense; the Royal Family are less in number than the rest of the people. So, in my view, the quote from page 77 doesn't refer exclusively to Zelda's descendants, but to all those who came to live on the surface. Those people became known as Hylians, and Zelda's descendants are just more special Hylians. Zeldafan1982 20:23, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't the Hylians be all of the humans that Hylia had created, even before sending them into the sky? After all, they would still be her creations.KrytenKoro 19:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe that they just named themselves and the land after her (probably because after the events of SS they realized that Hylia no longer existed, at least not as a goddess), but it was Farore who created them. Zeldafan1982 23:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The quote from other translations, as you said, has similar wording, and while doesn't exactly say explicitly that they're her descendants, it doesn't contradict that idea either; it actually implies that: the quote from GlitterBerri's translation says that Hylians share her roots with her (roots, as in origin, so it implies they originate from her), and even that page aknowledged that "Those who inherited the blood of the goddess, Hylia, who was reborn into Zelda, established Hyrule"; as far as I know, the only way to inherit someone's blood from someone is via direct descendance; if there is another way to inherit some else's blood, please elighten me. See? Even the 'more accurate translation' (GliterBerri's) hints at Hylians being the physical offspring of Hylia/SS Zelda.
 * Also, in regards to: "[Zelda's descendants] eventually become the Royal Family, then the passage from page 93 doesn't make sense; the Royal Family are less in number than the rest of the people", it does make sense: the Royal Family are Zelda's direct descendants in a patrilineal/matrilineal way (just like thrones are inherited in real life), while the different family branches that came to be once her descendants spread became civil Hylians. Finally, your theory doesn't make sense either; you say that they named themselves Hylians after her, as if her name and image was a mere inspiration, but your idea DOES contradict the quotes from pages 77 and 93 (all translations), since HH states that, if not direct descendants, they at least have a connection ('their roots' and 'linked to Hylia, GB's translation), and naming themselves just after her doen't imply a true connection to her. VeggiePopper 12:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * When I said that the wording is similar, I meant the Japanese wording. The fact that GlitterBerri's translation from page 93 doesn't say e.g. "descendants" or "blood related", seems to mean that the Japanese wording doesn't necessarily mean that. It probably can also have another, more metaphorical meaning, otherwise she wouldn't have translated it the way she did. The way I see it, the Hylians' ancestors were "connected" to Hylia, since she lived among them and protected them.
 * The first quote from page 77 speaks about those who came to live on the surface (not only Zelda's descendants), while the second one refers to Zelda's descendants, who established the kingdom and became the Royal Family.
 * If I understood correctly, you are saying that the Royal Family are only a part of SS Zelda's descendants. This is not what the text says though. Zeldafan1982 15:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)