Talk:Oracle Confusion

How can LA be a sequal to LttP when the Hyrule in LttP is entirely landlocked.
 * By that reasoning, AoL could not possibly be a sequl to LoZ (northern Hyrule is not reachable in LoZ, nor shown on its map), MM could not possibly be a sequel to OOT (Termina is again, unreachable and invisble in Ocarina), and FS and FSA would be totally irreconciable (Their maps have nothing in common). If Link continues to walk to in any direction, he will eventually leave the AlttP map. -PIE

i was not talking about how you cant SEE the shore i was talking about how at the edges of the map all you can see is sher cliffs. and didnt the people see Link off, i MIGHT belive that link climbed that impassible terrain while carrying a boat no less, but his entourage i think not. furthermore i have never believed that AoL came directly after TLoZ, and as for MM in the begining we see him in the lost woods he follows the skull kid and then falls in to a hole in the tree at wich point we see some sort of portal or time warp thingy and the ending is also unclear how, if at all, he gets back to hyrule so MM could have been a dream for all we know. --Spirit of the Legend 21:24, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * Arguments like "MM might be a dream because we never have proof that it is not a dream" and "There is no way out of AlttP's map because we never see a way out of AlttP's map" are not acceptable in timeline theory. If canon said "MM is a dream" or "AlttP's Hyrule is contained in a box canyon" then you would have an argument, but lack of canon can never be a justification. It is against the Scientific method.
 * That was my point in alluding to AoL and MM. If you looked at LoZ's map, you would say "There is no way to escape this land that I can see" but AoL shows that there is, indeed, a way into the northern Hyrule.-PIE 07:16, 13 January 2007

Wait how can you not believe that AoL comes after LOZ....its in the instruction manual...its the same link..what kinda proof do you have that makes you think otherwise?--Remo 20:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The line about "regaining peace in Hyrule" is not an aLttP-specific concept. Though the Oracles take place outside of Hyrule proper, several characters in the game mention that peace has crumbled in Hyrule because of Veran/Onox/Twinrova's actions, and that by defeating them you will restore it.Erimgard 19:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

WW --> OoX?
''OoX may even occur shortly after TWW, as it too ends with a dead Antagonist and a whole Triforce. This idea, however, has little support amongst theorists as it requires speculation on the Triforce's resting place post TWW. ''

The Triforce split after the King of Hyrule made his wish, right? That means the Triforce is no longer whole, so this theory is false.

Nope, the Triforce is not seen making any sort of transition post wish. It is present and then it is not. We do not now its condition or location post tWW, which is why the OoX placement is possible (though no likely).-PIE

Does The Triforce always break apart after being wished upon? because it broke when Ganon made his wish. Or does it only break when an evil wish is made? but then what is evil anyway?--Spirit of the Legend 23:24, 23 March 2007 (CDT)


 * I thought that part of the Kings wish for hope... resulted in the dispapearance of the triforce. I wish for hope for the future. Not much hope for the future if there is an all powerful artefact that can grant people's wishes that everyone is fighting over. And since the triforce went away, Ganondorf had no source to draw his invinciblity from and was killed by Link without silver arrows. This of course is my humble opinion--Magnus orion 18:00, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

FPTRR shows us a world that consists of islands, making a post-TWW placement almost definite. It also shows us the Salona (Subrosians in Japanese version) who were said to have had helped a hero (obviously OoX's) making the TWW - OoX order much more likely. As drawing this order requires little to no speculation, I'm adding it back in. TheManInTheMoon 06:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think that puts after OoX after WW, it would only place it in that arc, and even then this is assuming Tingle's game is canon. However, the opening cutscene of both OoX games shows link riding on a horse on his way to Hyrule castle, which is clearly placed in a field, not under the ocean. I'm not going to remove the theory, but I am going to note that the opening cutscenes disprove this. Onen 21:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Linked Games
In deciding the order of the Oracle games in relation to each other, it is useful to use logic. All linked events make much more sense when OoA is first. When OoS is first, characters travel back in time without portals or help from Nayru. When OoA is first then the only time travel is Queen Ambi. And Ambi clearly states that Nayru sent her through time. The Skull Pirates' getting stuck in Holodrum after first being traped in the whirlpools for four hundred years makes much more sense than the other way around.-Matt 4-16-08
 * Didn't know about the sig and timestamp then. This one above is me.--Matt 14:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't jump all over me and say I'm wrong, but the manga order goes oracle of Seasons, then Ages.

YES, we all know the manga is not exactly canon. But that's the way the order is. Yuvorias, 14:14, 23 April 2008 (EST)

It does not make sense to have OoS first, for the reason I stated above. Also, I have only heard of two things that place OoS first. The manga, which is not canon. And the OoS manual. However the manual does not give any information as to the order. See []. And the OoA manual (see []) also does not say anything. Therefore you cannot say the OoS is first without looking at in-game evidence. The highest form of canon is the material in the games themselves. In deciding the placement of any Zelda game, in-game evidence comes first, not last. All the in-game evidence in the Oracles points to OoA being first.--Matt 22:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The end game events of OoA happen in the past, so the flame is lit 400 years before the arrival of Onox. It's a paradox, I know, but it's gotta be canon. So you can play them in any order, but the time traveling to the past causes OoA's events to occur first. So in a timeline sense, it's illogical to put OoS first.Axiomist 03:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll say this. Mangawise, oracle of Seasons undeniably comes first.

Gamewise, Oracle of Ages comes first.

The In-Game evidence points far more strongly to this conclusion, than to Oracle of Seasons coming first.

--Yuvorias, 15:17, 28 April 2008 (EST)

ALttP/OoX/LA(DX)=reasonable
Okay, i've never played ALttP, but i have played LADX and both OoX (and beat Ganon in OoS, though i was worried about the Hidden Cave thing in OoA), and i must say that the Links in all three games look VERY similar. Plus, whole triforce works with ALttP, as does dead Ganon (if I read right). Lastly, you see Link riding Epona to a temple, where he is transported to Holodrum/Labrynna. After both games (individually and together), you see him riding a boat into open ocean, thus allowing him to enter the seastorm cutscene at the opening of LA(DX). So i fully support ALttP/OoX/LA(DX). --Sk8torchic

Should This Page Be Moved?
Wow. my timeline was actually based off of this exact theory, and then I found this page. It's kind of ironic. Anyway, does this article really warrant its own page? I'm not sure, but it seems as though it should be placed with other facts, such as these. 19:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Hyrule Castle
Where does anything actually say this is Hyrule Castle? Could it not just be some castle in a purified Sacred Realm?

Also, given that the official timeline states ALttP> OoX > LA...does this page really have any further purpose but to serve as misinformation? I think that, at best, the "reasons why ALttP> OoX > LA doesn't make sense" should be noted on the Zelda timeline page as "plotholes" or summat similar. But...as much as the community loved them some timeline theories, Hyrule Historia has turned pretty much all of the articles into misinformation, and they need to be completely reworked to avoid that.KrytenKoro 10:03, 30 December 2011 (EST)


 * Indeed. When the official timeline has its own page, any relevant plot-holes could go under a "discrepancies" section and we can pretty much do away with the rest. Since there are so many discrepancies in the official timeline I could see there being an entire article dedicated to them.
 * I believe we are all aware that our series of articles on the timeline is in major need of updating now that the official timeline has been released. There's no question about that. What we need now are users who are willing to dedicate their time to execute this overhaul. 10:17, 30 December 2011 (EST)
 * I do not have access to the Hyrule Historia yet, and I am not really familiar with the fan-essay side of the wiki, so I don't know where all the bits are. However, given a started official timeline article with the confirmed facts from the Historia, and a list of all the timeline theory pages, I would be more than willing to go through and cannibalize them all.KrytenKoro 11:12, 30 December 2011 (EST)


 * Oh haha, what I said wasn't directed at you, sorry if it sounded that way. I was just speaking generally. Anyways, if you're interested in helping out, KingStarscream has started something here. Every article of the timeline series has the complete list at the top right of the page (this thing). 11:22, 30 December 2011 (EST)
 * It is mentioned in the OoS manual (link). About the article, the order is indeed ALttP - Oracles - LA, but we don't know yet if they all feature the same Link. Perhaps what they have in mind is ALttP - Oracles/LA. Anyway, when this is clarified, then I think that the article no longer would serve a purpose. On a side note: some discrepancies are basically retcons, so in this sense it's not that the canon contradicts itself, rather it is superseded. Zeldafan1982 12:13, 30 December 2011 (EST)