Talk:Fire Temple (Ocarina of Time)

Religious Symbol
Recently I played Ocarina of Time again, (N64, 1.2, NTSC-U) and saw again the Fire Temple. There is a symbol that appears like writing on various solid objects. It is portrayed vertically. However in the very first room of the Temple, the symbol is portrayed horizontally and is mirrored front-back. This lies above the doors that lead to the areas behind the first room. While the symbol obviously contains the Greek letters theta and pi (Θ Π), in this horizontal view, the letter pi appears upside down. In Greek calligraphy U, V, Y and that upside down pi are considered to be alternative shapes of the letter ypsilon (Y). This, with the combination of a miniscule m (or so it appears) which is combined with a capital P or R (also in Greek calligraphy P and R are considered to be shapes of the same letter). This particular combination (mPΘU) is very similar (if not identical) to the mPΘU symbol that appears in Christian Orthodox sacred Icons (f.e. Russian or Greek) next to the Virgin Mary. Here is a link to Wikipedia (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meter_Theou_%28inlay%29.JPG). This here has a dash between m and P, but in other Icons that dash is not present like this one I got from Google : (http://fdathanasiou.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/panagia_h_xrusafitissa.jpg). In the last one the shape of V is different. This symbol is not strict, as f.e. the Cross, and it appears with slight differences - and is usually broken in two pieces as you can see. This symbol's presence may be a coincidence, but since the Fire Temple has been associated with Religious references (version 1.0 with the Islamic chant), I thought that it may not be a coincidence. It may be possible that someone (a designer) saw the symbol, didn't know it's origin or meaning (it means "Mother of God"), and included it in the game, just as it happened with the chant. In any way, it is weird, as the Fire Temple and the Death Mountain in general do resemble any Christian theme, or Russian Theme or Greek theme. I'd like to show this here and not in a forum, because it has major religious content and sometimes this kind of content is discouraged, restricted or removed in forums. What do you think about that one? I am confused.Gomess 512 (talk) 16:35, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Talk to User talk:ShardofTruth to see if he can rip any of this; if we can confirm it's definitely not just a trick of the light, I personally think it would be worth mentioning.KrytenKoro (talk) 18:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You mean to talk to that user about the whole thing? I am sorry, I don't know how things work around here, so I am asking you about this. Continuing on the subject, I've uploaded the symbol on a server so you may see what I am talking about. Vertical (usual) version (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ODJ0iJLmigQ/UyOtulgECFI/AAAAAAAAAls/5CpsPKMcJgw/s912/vertical.png) and horizontal version (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-25yieNc6n6U/UyOtpWthATI/AAAAAAAAAlg/DEtsPcRl4Kg/s912/horizontal.png) - both of them in the very first chamber of the Fire Temple. It is clear that the horizontal version is based on the vertical one, however there are some weird changes. The upside down pi letter has a small curve, but this may be the result of the texture being placed in a frame smaller than itself, without scaling. The mP/mR symbol (it appears twice, but the two copies are not identical, unless there is a background image and the letters are semi transparent) has the curvy line on the right. The vertical version of the symbol has the curvy line downwards. This means that if we rotate the vertical version by 90 degrees clockwise we don't get exactly the same symbol ; the curvy line will appear to the left (with the pi letter being on the right side). This is weird, why should someone create two slightly different versions, who would notice? I tried to find any other symbolism, but whatever I found was a speculation of mine, and since this is not a forum, I'd like to remain strict on the facts and not to digress to weird coincidences. Plus, if someone else could realize these coincidences without me putting them into their head, we could say that we have something that many people noticed, and not a single person that had this in mind to begin with. To conclude, the more I examine the symbol, the more I see a resemblance, but the "m" part of the symbol is somewhat unclear. The fact that the symbol appears sometimes on the Icons without free space between the m and the P (and so it appears as a single letter) makes things more unclear. Even if the two letters merge, the symbol is considered to be the same. There are many speculations and connections to be mentioned, but that is a forum's job. I am writing here in an attempt to locate the game symbol's origins. I thought that as a wiki you would have access to beta content and game textures to analyze this further, I couldn't find any. I remind you that I wouldn't write this if there wasn't the original Fire Temple's music issue - two major religious references (the chant and the symbol) are too much to be a coincidence, don't you thing so?Gomess 512 (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I know this is super late. I wasn't ignoring you, I just didn't get any email notification and just logged in today after a long time. Anyway, these are the original textures (which are extremly small) 1 2 and an artist's rendition for the custom (unofficial) high texture pack: 3. --ShardofTruth (talk) 22:58, 24 June 2014 (UTC)